What Size Is This Saddle's Tree?

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  1. Shikoika

    Shikoika Senior Member+

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    :confused: OK, so it has suddenly occured to me that I never really asked what size the tree saddle was on my saddle that my trainer gave me. I just assumed it was a medium tree, and went on because she said it fit him great shprtly after saying he needed about a medium tree.

    He is 15.3 hh and uses a 48" girth.


    Looking at these photos, what size tree do you think this is? Is it small? Or Medium?
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  2. Anti-Silence

    Anti-Silence Senior Member+

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    I don't think you can tell from these pictures... you need to measure it. However, though I don't ride english, it looks to me like it doesn't fit him well at all.
     
  3. Shikoika

    Shikoika Senior Member+

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    Yes, I know that it does not fit him now. :) That is why I'm trying to figure out if I got the right size saddle.

    How do you measure a saddle (english)?
     
  4. Tack Collector

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    It's tree width, not finished saddle width. You'd have to measure the angle of the tree points. Point the front of the saddle at you and see how "A-frame" it is or is not. Narrow and medium will be more steep and the wider trees will be more "flattened out" or "spread out." There are narrow, "regular," medium, wide and extra wide / super wide trees. The problem is that there are no standards, so each manufacturer can make it whatever width and and call it whatever width.

    The front of your saddle looks higher than the cantle. That would probably indicate it's too narrow. Take a pic of the front of the saddle and show us. This HDR CC saddle is HDR's medium, most likely. I bought a Crosby medium tree CC, and it's wider than this one, more like medium-wide.
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    This HDP AP is a Henri de Rivel wide:
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    This is a saddle seat saddle, but it's definitely wide to extra wide:
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    This is Wintec X-wide but I don't know which gullet plate is installed:
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    Probably 80% of saddles and horses are medium to medium-wide.
    http://www.schurersaddlefit.com/sciResearch.html

    From another board:
    "Also a tip a heard for guesstimating wether or not a saddle may fit by picture is to do a back tracing (shape a wire to the horse's back where the front of the saddle will be, which is a spot BEHIND the shoulder blade and trace it on to a piece of paper). Then use a protrctor to measure that angle. Then print out the photo of the front of the saddle, draw 2 lines on it following where the panels will sit on the back and measure that angle, then look for a saddle that has a similiar angle to your horses back. Once you get your hands on the saddle you will need to set it on the horse obviously to double check the angle and check for bridging."

    You can Google for saddle fitting and find links that tell how to do the wither tracing with a flexicurve.

    Edit: Also evaluate shape and curve of panels. Some are "tables" and some are "bananas." check ont some online saddle fitting guides. http://www.countysaddlery.com/html/fittingguide/fittinguide.html
     
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  5. Tack Collector

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    I'll get a pic of the Crosby later. I don't have it here.
     
  6. madvoice

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    The wintec has a white gullet installed. You can see it there.
    My answer to the OP's question is that saddle is most definitely the WRONG size.
     
  7. iridehorses

    iridehorses Senior Member

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    Everyone is right, the saddle is not even close to fitting. I would question the qualification of your trainer at this point if she is telling you that it does.
     
  8. paintlver

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    A friend popped over to my place on the weekend and had rented a saddle fitting tool..It was really cool and we placed it on the wither where the front of the saddle goes and it pretty much told us what size tree to buy....See if you local tack shop has such a thing and rent it..Better yet take your horse to a local tack shop and try saddles on..Or you can take a clothes hanger that is the bendy metal kind and bend it to shape the horses wither..Take that in the tack shop for a fitting.. But yes that saddle is ill fitting and narrow
     
  9. Reitpferde

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    One way of testing whether or not your saddle has the right width (among other things..), you should be able to fit two to three upright fingers between saddle and top of the wither to provide proper clearance.
     
  10. Rhythm 'n Blues

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    But Reitpferde, the OP's saddle would pass that test, but still doesn't even come close to fitting.

    I have also had many saddles who would pass your above test with flying colors, but don't come close to fitting the horse.

    Your test is a good one, for ensuring that there is enough whither clearence, but there is much much more to saddle fit then that....sadly many people only look at that one area.
     






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