Discussion in 'Horse Chat' started by queendancer, Jan 13, 2012.
That's the million dollar question!
while many mares foal just fine, things CAN happen even with experienced owners and a vet on call.
last foal i had born on the farm was Bill, which was almost 5 years ago. he is named "Bill" for the $1800 it cost to try to save his mother when he was 4 days old, then $1300 in milk replacer. Bill was Phyllis's 3rd foal...... she tore internally during foaling (obviously there was no way to know that at the time) and had to be put down 4 days later.
As usual, I agree with zimalia. Horses are born to reproduce in order to ensure species survival. On top of that, they are made to foal reasonably quickly because they are a prey animal. I prefer that mares foal in a clean paddock as well. Foals can get shavings up their noses and you are begging for trouble. As well, the mare needs to be able to move around and get up with plenty of room. Paddocks are just better suited unless weather is bad, etc.
We give pneumabort at the 5th, 7th, and 9th months. Other than that, just the mare's regular vaccinating schedule MINUS her west Nile vac. To tell you the truth, for horses who don't go away from home, there is a huge debate on whether or not certain vaccines are even good for them. Something to discuss with a trusted vet who isn't necessarily a salesman.
Troll or no troll, when a young person reaches out for help and learning we need to try to offer it up. Sometimes I bet we make our own trolls because we rant and rave about the inexperienced or the decisions young or green horsemen make. We all make good choices, but even those of us who are dyed in the wool make poor choices as well. None of us know all the answers, and this board is for rebounding ideas and learning. I will rant and rave about greenies too, but if they ask for advice then I feel obligated to give it regardless of my own thoughts on their situation. Foals are not for young horse owners. They are not for green horse owners, and they are certainly not for very experienced horse owners of the "hearts and cookies" variety. They tend to become backyard savages. However, this situation is what it is, and this person needs help. Past behaviors aside, let's try to offer real advice without being snarky about her decisions. She will figure out the real deal soon enough.
Sorry to get preachy, but my tail is wagging wildly this morning. If I were a horse, you would need to longe me first.
Thanks EVO for the double post. Anything I do, you do twice as well.
I'd rather not give a how-to guide for backyard breeders. Moving on, now to another thread...
Baylily, When I was talking about foaling outdoors, I was speaking about my own mares, not the OP's mare.
She did not breed this mare to foal at this time. If I was to have an early foal, which I won't do, but yes, I would take measures to keep the foal warm. That does NOT mean I would foal her out in the barn, but it does mean I'd get them up and keep an eye on them in the corrals. If a wind break is provided, most will do just fine.
I have foaled MANY MANY MANY mares out over the years, and not had any problems. I just do not see where foaling inside a barn with a bleary eyed human watching is needed.
But, as I said, everyone has to do what they feel is best. And before you start feeling the need to scold me, I would bet you I have raised more foals than you have. Been at this a LONG time.
This comment stinks since the op has stated that they did not breed this mare. I suppose to be completely politically correct, upon learning that this mare was pregnant, she should have been put down. God forbid someone try to give an animal a home that happens to be pregnant. Let's call this making sure the mare gets through the birth well, and we can talk humane euthanasia of a newborn foal at a later time.
And I wasn't speaking about your foals, or your breeding program, Zimalia. I am sure you are a knowledgable horseperson, and have no need to scold you. Nor do I feel the need to go toe to toe with you on who has reared more foals, or who has done so more successfully.
She needn't put up a marestare cam, and hire extra help to keep eyes on the mare 24/7, its just about stacking the odds in your favor. Admittedly we did have foal cams at the yard I worked in, but it was about protecting your investment and giving mare and foal an advantage.
What I am saying is that if this mare is due soon, and is in Salt Lake City, Utah, its not advisable to leave her outdoors. You don't have to even be a horseperson to give that sort of advice.
Instead of coming down on this young OP, and calling her a backyard breeder, when she did not breed the mare, why not give her a hand?
You say she shouldn't have bought the mare. Ever stop to ask if it was her folks that bought the bred mare?
People learn by doing. Hands on experience is so valuable. If you go for a job interview, they want to know what you've done, not just merely what you've read about. This really is no different.
Here is a young person getting ready to have a mare foal. The mare is experienced, and she's the novice. If she was a novice rider, you'd not hesitate to put her on an experienced horse. Yet, in this case of the mare being bred, it's pretty much the consensus that she should not have bought the mare because she's not done this before. So how is she to get the experience if she doesn't get in there and do it!
If she wants to watch the mare foal, she'll probably learn a few things. Don't be sending her to read books about foalings that are a disaster. All that does is scare the tar out of the novice owner. NOT what she needs now. If you want to tell her what to expect in a normal foaling, that would be different. Then she will know what normal is, and when and if, a vet is needed.
Lets give her a hand, and not just condemn her.
thanks everyone for the support. i should mention i have experienced a baby on my property before. it was about 6years ago we had a palomino who was bred she was an amazing barrel horse bought the mare from vicky.... shoot last name i forgot but she lives in riverton and ran in the NFR we bought her from that lady and the mare had a blown knee but was bred. we went outof state to nascar in march and we came back and the colt was there we named him rio. he grew up so fast. was the easiest horse ever to break he never offered to buck or give problems. an no not every colt/filly will be lke that i realize that. in fact most arent like that. thats why everything in life is so different and the whole world is inexperienced because of change. anyways i dont know if i mentioned but my family has experienced many many colts on our property being born. yes this mare will be inside during her foaling time. an just to let you know if anyone cares its only snowed twice in the valley where i live an it melts the next day. hoefully we wont be to low on water supply. :~/ anyways like mentioned she will be going to the vet for her shots we are not doing an ultrasound. an i did not originally buy this mare for the baby i bought the mare for riding and the baby will be going into training as it reaches the accessable ages of being trained. and ya i just drive into my vet for those of you who know utah and heard of south jordan equistran park i live two min away from it and my vet is right acrosss from it. and yes our vets do farm calls he came out to ours all the time for our cows pregnancy tests. weve had many calves born her in the past three years a total of 11. andyes i realize cows and horses are two different animals but i was just letting you knw
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