I have been having a running argument elsewhere over my pet peeve, the oxymoron that is the 'shanked snaffle' It would be funny if it wasn't just a little sad, especially as the conversation was about Western Dressage, and as that is a discipline with a clear rule book, it is of not much profit to start relabeling things to suit yourself, they clearly show a snaffle as being a bit with rings, no leverage, and a curb as having leverage... But then I did get to thinking, I totally 100% totally believe that a curb bit is defined by its shanks, but then I have to look at this and wonder, with embarrassment Here is Fergies current set up, Definitely a single jointed curb. Thing is when I put it back together after cleaning I just put the curb on, obviously on the loosest setting. Then, and my excuse is I haven't used a curb for ages, never checked it when I next used it, which is why my curb looks like this Seems hat the curb chain was doing zilch, zero, nothing, and in affect (or is that effect?) what I was riding in was a snaffle, which explains why she felt so different, yes I KNOW I'm an idiot... So, I will still argue that it is shanks that maketh a curb a curb, but as for functioning as a curb there has to be a curb strap/chain of some sort. Next question, is this bit snaffle, curb or gag, does it need a curb chain to be effective (affective) Are there bits which do not fall neatly into snaffle or curb, and why?