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What are your thoughts? 20 kids and counting (THE DUGGARS expecting again!)

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Baylily, Nov 8, 2011.

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  1. Yes, STOP already!

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  2. No, the more the merrier

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  3. Other, please explain

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  1. Jinba ittai

    Jinba ittai Senior Member+

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    Well derp. Of course that was an extreme example - that's why there was an "if" at the start. "If" all the potential couples chose to have ONE child, "this" is what would happen. Of course there are homosexual couples who might choose not have a child, there might be straight couples that choose to remain childless, there might be single women who choose not to have children, and there might be couples that choose not to have biological children and adopt instead. Then there might be people that choose to have 3-10 kids of their own.

    I would never take away the RIGHT to have 50+ kids if a family chooses to do so. But I would hope that we would lose this MADDENING mentality that we need to have "our own" kids. For what? It's not like we are royalty or that lineage actually matters anymore. It's such an ego thing, to pass on our own genes. If you want to have a child because you want to raise it with all the love and care available, then have one! But consider that there are thousands of unwanted children in the world that could use your love and care, and that you could do something to change the world in adopting one of those children.

    If the Duggars had chosen to adopt twenty kids, I would be over the moon with praise for them. They instead chose to boink like rabbits and create more mouths to feed. Yay them?
     
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  2. Fox Glove

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    Harley 2, your nailing Jell-o to a tree emoticon, please, thank you.
     
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  3. gallop4life

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    Just because it is the lesser of two evils, doesn't mean it should be done.
    Yes there are worse moms and more wasteful people, but there are also tremendous examples out there of how amazing and responsible people can live.

    My goal is to be completely self sufficient. I ride on the bus, and I shop at the farmers market. I'm in school for a Bio/Ecology degree that helps with acting out my plans. I cut down invasive areas and replant with native shrubs. My shampoos and soaps are almost completely natural. I've had chickens and plant my own garden. My rabbits eat the carrots I've grown from the manure they've given me. All in all self sufficiency is about a cycle. Not exponential growth.
     
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  4. Harley2

    Harley2 Senior Member+

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    Close as I could get sorry! [​IMG]
     
  5. Fox Glove

    Fox Glove Senior Member+

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    That works, thank you !
     
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  7. prairienights

    prairienights Senior Member+

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    It's not even just the issue of space. If anyone has driven across the emptiness of middle America, it becomes quite obvious that SPACE is not the problem with overpopulation. I bet we could give every single human on this planet a few acres of land, and we'd still have some room to grow. The problem is having enough resources for everyone on the planet. Consider that most of the planet is covered in water. Of the actual land mass, after you subtract land in unsuitable agricultural temperatures and climates, mountainous and rocky terrain, cities, etc etc etc...there just isn't a whole lot of land mass left for growing food. As of year 2000, only about 11% of the entire planet's land mass was used for growing crops ( http://learner.org/courses/envsci/unit/text.php?unit=7&secNum=2 ). Some animal food products are produced on pasture land that is unsuitable for crops. But for the most part, no matter how much room there is for the actual humans, there is a very limited amount of room for the resources needed to support us. And that's just food. Consider how many trees are needed per person, how much water, how much coal and oil, etc.

    I am enamored by the concept of the homestead lifestyle. I garden as much as possible, support local producers, and would love to produce as much of my own food as possible. I think it's quite possible to live off the land. Hunting, gardening, local farmer's markets, raising animals, etc. But do you think there's enough room for all 6.8 billion humans on the planet to do that? What if every single human decided to homestead, do you think there would be enough room for all those gardens? Enough room for all those little farms? Enough deer for all those hunters? mentioned above that there is enough land mass to give every human a few acres, but remember, only 11% of the land mass is suitable for crop growth, so some people wouldn't get agriculturally productive land. At this point, we desperately depend on technologically advanced farming and mass agriculture.

    And no, I don't think anyone here would think that the Duggars are specifically the ones that are causing the world's population crisis. That's stupid. But they are in the spotlight. They represent the mindset that the population needs to grow, grow, grow, and we should all breed, breed, breed. Reproduce and multiply without a care in the world. That family of 22 isn't going to wreck the world, but all 20 of those children grew up thinking that having as many children as possible was God's blessing. If all 20 of those children also have even 10 children, that's 200 more people in just one generation. If those 200 children each have 10 kids, that's 2,000 grandchildren for Mr. and Mrs. Duggar. And as has been discussed, they belong to the Quiverfull movement. Straight from the Quiverfull's official home page, they are "Dedicated to providing encouragement and practical help to those who are striving to raise a large and growing, godly family in today's world." Every member of this group aspires to have 2,000 grandchildren. They also have strong political and missionary motives. Like I said earlier, they are creating "full quivers" (huge families) filled with "arrows" (children) to be used in God's armies. They're breeding a voting power army, essentially. And each member aspiring to produce hundreds or even thousands within a few generation....well, that makes me nervous.

    Even with the Quiverfull thing aside, it's still a selfish mentality. Are the Duggar's 20 kids going to tip us over the edge into an overpopulation meltdown? Again, no, and to think so would be silly. I will absolutely agree that the Duggar kids are probably better members of society than many kids out there. They're obviously well-fed and provided for (even if I think they're brainwashed robots). And I am terrified at the thought of reproductive control; I'd never consider that the answer. But just because a person CAN make 20 babies, or even support them, doesn't mean it's responsible.
     
  8. P.A. Farms

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    You need to also take into account for the fact that our ability to grow food and use resources more efficiently has always been ahead of population growth. The reason we have starving people isn't that we don't grow enough food, and the reason there are unwanted children in this world isn't because there are simply too many to love. Both are caused by the massive shortage of love in this world....a problem the Dugards and others like them are trying to remedy.:)
     
  9. prairienights

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    Well why didn't the Duggars share their overflowing surplus of love with children who were already alive and starving and unloved? They made no difference to the love deficit whatsoever.
     
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  10. ParkedOut

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    Very true. And in that vein, its one thing to provide shelter, guidance and food for 20 children. Its another to enrich their lives with your love and attention. How can someone who is constantly bred, breeding or birthing pay attention to the foals already on the ground?? Seems like someone may have some sort of hormone overload.
     
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