But it doesn’t do any good to run to the extreme. Cranking a horses nose to its chest and hollowing the back is bad for the horse, but so is forcing a false LDR position. It’s not better because it’s non traditional. You can train with multiple trainers, but you shouldn’t pick and choose what you want to hear from multiple trainers. A good trainer should be able to work with you and establish the basics. And any trainer I would ever take advice from needs to be able to get a horse forward and on the bit. Faeber can’t.