Question on how long I can give penicillin..

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  1. hemigirl

    hemigirl Full Member

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    My mom purchased a horse from a trainer. The horse had labored breathing and the trainer said he had had him to the vet and couldn't find anything wrong. The trainer suggested a 10 day course of penicillin in case it was a respiratory infection. My mom gave the horse 10 days of penicillin and the horse died on the eleventh day. She came out in the morning and he was laying down dead. It appeared that he died before he hit the ground because there were no signs of struggle to get up. The trainer had signed a contract when she purchased the horse that if the horse died or was otherwise extremely ill he would refund her money or provide her with another horse. Well, when the horse died this trainer disappeared and it ended up in court. When the judge heard my mom's testimony he told her that she killed the horse with 10 days of penicillin stating that she killed all of his good enzymes and bacteria. He told her that he has never before heard of giving a horse penicillin for that long and that she ultimately killed this horse.

    Could the 10 days of penicillin killed him? Is that too long to give penicillin?
     






  2. Dawn

    Dawn Senior Member+

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    It should say on the bottle of penicillin. I can't recall off the top of my head what the normal round of penicillin is. The penicillin should not have been given though with those symptoms and a 'supposed' vet saying that there was nothing they could find wrong. I highly doubt the horse was ever even seen by a vet.
     
  3. Paints4me

    Paints4me Senior Member+

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    My bottle doesn't say on it. When I had a horse get hurt, We kept him on antibiotica for well over a month... At least 6 weeks... It was horrible, but it was such and infectious wound we had no choice. The vet had him on Twin-Pen (strong pennicilin) first then Genomyacyin (sp) which is even stronger then we left him on sulfa trim for about 3 weeks. I didn't like him being on meds that long, but we just did what the vet told us. We were also giving him double the reccomended amount. Which I asked several vets opinions on that one and they all told us it was ok. I just hated poking him with a needls that much...Thats why I like the sulfa-trims cause you can put them on their feed. I would think that as much as we gave him, if it could harm them that much He would have been dead too!! I don't think it coul dkill one unless they had a reaction to it.
     
  4. Dawn

    Dawn Senior Member+

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    Penicillin should not be used for more than 4 consecutive days. Under a vet's supervision that could vary obviously, but that is the 'normal' round for that antibiotic.
     
  5. Paints4me

    Paints4me Senior Member+

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    We had to keep our guy on it because everytime we attemped to quit he'd get a raging fever and infection!!!! In our case we really didn't have a win situation. It was either the infection was going to klill him or the med was going to kill him. So what do you do??? I have alwasy been told no less that 5 days, or the infection would just come back. However it deals alot with the type of infection or injury the horse has, some are more sever than others. Pistol cut 1/2 his hoof off pratically so that is a very infectious environment. And a regular problem would have not been so drastic to control.
     
  6. Sandra-A1

    Sandra-A1 Senior Moderator

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    I was told not less than 5 days and no more than 7 days....the BEST thing to do is consult your Vet and be sure your doing what is right for your horse and it's situation!!!!!!! ;)
     
  7. madvoice

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    When my gelding had his eye infection he was on pennicillin for 3 weeks. Firstly was injectable and then powder formulation. This was all under a vet's consult. The thing that makes it hard is that it sounds like you weren't under veterinary advice at the time of administration. If you were, then you'd probably have more solid legal grounds for retribution.
     
  8. Top Dun

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    1. My bottle of pen G says Do not exceed 4 consecutive days.

    2. If the horse was never seen by a vet either for the inital diagnosis, and subsequent visits or an autopsy, you will never know for sure what killed the horse. The autopsy would have reveled either the colic or soem severe respiratory infection. You may never be able to prove what actually killed the horse since there was not a vet involved. During treatment or for an autopsy

    3. Even with a signed contract it was up to you mom to make sure she was doing the right thing with the horse so technically she should have called the vet out immediately instead of continuing to give the pen g as instructed by the trainer. Additionally If I were buying a horse I personally would want a healthy horse so I would have had a vet check done in the first place before paying for the horse.

    4. I'm not saying that this sad event was totaly your mom's fault, you may have been dealing with an unscrupulous trainer who knew that there was someting seriously wrong with the horse and he wanted to sell ASAP so that some one else could be blamed for the horse's death. However since there was not a vet involved with and exam or an autopsy, we will never know for sure.

    5. Use this event as a lesson for the next time. ALWAYS get a vet check BEFORE paying money for a horse. and ALWAYS get a vets advice and opinion before continuing a course of treatment on a horse. Always get an autopsy from a vet if a horse that has a stipulation in the contract and the horse dies.
     
  9. ejforrest

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    Your mom should of called the vet where the horse was taken and talked to the vet about what was done to the horse when looked at. And then she should of talked to a vet about giving penicellen-*if* it was recommened, this should not be taken lightly. It is too easy to grab a bottle at the fist sign of a sniffle. Medicate only with a vets approvel. A purchase exam should of been done before the sale of the horse.
     
  10. Sea Ha

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    Did you contact this original vet or your own vet ever called to varify the instructions? Maybe this could have been avoided with a phone call and/or vet visit. Im sorry it happen.

    Im going to guess you didnt know this "trainer" before hand. I guess that because she/he just disapeared. and you have no way to know where to. If this is the case then why did you take medical advise about the horse from that person and do as he/she said?
     






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