Pain of unknown origin

Discussion in 'Horse Health' started by SEAmom, Jul 26, 2018.

  1. SEAmom

    SEAmom Senior Member

    Mar 18, 2011
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    So, this post gives a bit of background to what I'm dealing with General horse frustration

    Here is a video after all the drama of the past 2 months. I'm in my western saddle as instructed by the saddle fitter. If you see blue on the back of the pad, it was at her recommendation to add the folded towel and it's on the way she showed me. This was Sunday - the day before he started on 16 days of Equioxx in our efforts to rule out continuing pain vs. learned behavior. Full disclosure the left stirrup was a full hole too high and I was so focused on him that I didn't even realize it until I went out on Wednesday. Then it made sense why that side felt shorter...*sigh*

    What do you see? Anything that would indicate pain areas? Everything has been fully palpitated by the vet during the lameness exam and he has no "that doesn't feel so good" reactions. This only appears under saddle as far as the vet and I can tell. I feel like I'm grasping at straws here.
  2. barrel_racer64

    barrel_racer64 Senior Member

    Aug 5, 2005
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    I am not an expert by any means, but I feel like he is short striding and kind of "hitching" on the LH in order to have a fairly minimal amount of full weight on the RH... Its not super noticeable though, and I pretty much had to watch the whole video to decide what it was I *thought* I was seeing.
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  3. manesntails

    manesntails Senior Member

    May 21, 2010
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    Right hind. Carries the near hind under himself to support the back end.
  4. slc

    slc Senior Member

    Feb 19, 2004
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    He's really lame behind. Looks like the back is sore too which is not unusual. Not a happy camper.
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  5. Alsosusieq2

    Alsosusieq2 Senior Member

    Mar 30, 2016
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    She's hitching on her near hind. I'd get a lameness vet out.
  6. Bakkir

    Bakkir Senior Member

    Nov 15, 2010
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    Imho there is something going on in her back and hip that is causing a lot of pain through her hind legs. I would get a chiropractor to access it.

    I would stop ALL riding. The horse is in pain and dead lame at a walk.
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  7. Rhythm 'n Blues

    Rhythm 'n Blues Senior Member

    Feb 23, 2007
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    As everyone else has said, horse is lame. Like this would be at least 4/5 on the lameness scale, as it’s very clear and consistently there with every step.

    Has the vet not done flexion tests on this horse? Has he watched you ride him? If the vet thinks this is a sound horse & has done flexion tests & watched you ride.....then you seriously need a new vet. I would find it hard to believe this horse is sound at all gaits without a rider.......
  8. spec

    spec Full Member

    Feb 10, 2016
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    Ditto to the back end problems. Sacroiliac joint possibly? I’ve also seen a horse with severe hock arthritis walk weird, kinda like that. I’d be prepping my bank account for a good lameness specialist visit.
  9. StraightandTrue

    StraightandTrue Senior Member

    Mar 19, 2010
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    Left hind is short stepping, with the horse stomping the foot down early rather than following the flight pattern through to the end. I agree with @Rhythm 'n Blues that if the vet you used missed this you need to find a new vet. Hind end lameness can be tricky to diagnose but this is glaringly obvious. Definitely don’t ride or exercise the horse until you’ve found a competent vet who can do flexion tests/nerve blocks to isolate the area and follow up with x-rays. Could be anything from a bone chip to splints to osteoarthritis.
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  10. lhoward

    lhoward Senior Member

    Apr 12, 2011
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    Wow. How could any vet even assume that may be "learned" behavior. That horse is in pain.
    Since it seems to present mostly under saddle, it could be caused by either the tack, or by having any weight on the back, or a combination of both.

    That is NOT a horse "play acting".

    That weird gait and hitch in the hind leg could be caused by severe back pain, nerves being pinched and pain shooting down the legs.

    I would cease ALL riding immediately until this is 100% resolved. Giving pain meds is just a band aid. You take away some of the pain, but what caused it to be painful to begin with is not being addressed and is probably being made much worse in the mean time.

    I know I'm not a vet. I know I'm just going by the video, I know I wasn't "there" like that saddle fitter was. But I feel that this horse has been let down. If it is so clearly seen in this short video, how could this not have been established in person?

    Just because a cause hasn't been established yet, does not mean it isn't there.

    I can't even imagine that poor horse having to trot or canter under saddle when he is so painful just in the walk.

    edited to say, if there is even a thought of this being caused by saddle, ride him bareback a few times. I have a feeling he will be just as "off". Given he is not doped up on pain meds, that is. If he suddenly moves much more willingly and freely, you know the tack causes pain.

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