Nurse Mare Foals? Any one really know about them?

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  1. meljean

    meljean Senior Member

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    I've been doing more digging on this, and just do not see where these "nurse mares" are going to, nor have I found anyone in the TB industry that has ever used them or heard of this to a large scale.

    In case of mare dying, or unable to nurse foal, then yes, but 20,000 annually as I've seen claimed?

    No.

    So, anyone have any ideas?

    And I've seen all the claptrap LCC puts out and others of their ilk, and I say hogwash.

    And wrote them exactly that too.
     
  2. venomvalleyequi

    venomvalleyequi Senior Member

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    High end tbs and warmbloods.

    Z. had a nurse mare for all of her foals.
    Some high end quarter horses.
    Some standardbreds even.
     
  3. D_BaldStockings

    D_BaldStockings Senior Member

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    Annual TB registration stats about 23,000
    http://www.jockeyclub.com/default.asp?section=FB&area=2

    "Though official numbers are not yet available, the 2012 North American foal crop is likely to dip below 9,000, a new record low for the modern era."
    http://www.harnessracingupdate.com/restricted/pdf/hru/hru012013.pdf

    Quarterhorses about 74,000.


    So a bit over 107,000 for the major registries... assuming 5% nursemares needed as a max figure guess, and including random mares from other breeds, that would be 5,400 nursemares at the outside high estimate.

    Now as to how the foals of those mares are handled, frankly I am surprised that they bring any price IF sold, since they require such high care level,long distance transport is pretty much out of the question due to stress and dehydration issues, etc.

    It is also possible for mares to nurse two foals, so possible for a 'left behind' foal to be raised by another nursemare along with her own foal if that is desired.

    Obviously you can get nursemare foals as that is what the rescue does.

    At auctions near me, you can also get 2 1/2 - 3 month old 'ranch horse' foals in dispersal sales or if they don't work out for some reason: color, sex, wonky legs, hernias, heart troubles, on and on. Pretty much giveaways, since foals can't ship profitably and may be rather fragile.

    Rescueing 'babies' is a good donation raiser. The foals get a chance at a home. All good.

    Lying about what the 'industry' is and does? Ruins their credibility and my estimation of their knowledge is all. My opinion is nothing they are concerned about.

     
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  4. D_BaldStockings

    D_BaldStockings Senior Member

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    For more information about Nursemare farms, I would contact Repro Vets; in states with high 'birth rates' of spendy horses and ask if they would kindly give you info on NUMBERS of requests they are getting for nursemare referrals.

    Not who and where the farms are, since they seem to be under unwarranted attack from 'do-gooders'; just the number of referrals, please.

    After some searching you will probably find the real world numbers are quite a bit lower than my estimates.

    And the Nursemares and foals are likely better cared for than some of the rescues claim.
     
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  5. CoffeeBean

    CoffeeBean Senior Member

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    I see that Last Chance Corral loaned its president and founder $38,000, paid $50,036 for stall cleaning and miscellaneous help and there are plenty of reasons to have raised eyebrows within the 2013 990 ALONE.

    http://990s.foundationcenter.org/99..._990.pdf?_ga=1.240758976.275783740.1420746382

    I'm astounded that she states she has placed 200 horses in one year on her 2.65 acres. I looked up the information on her property's value (public information - thank you Athens County Ohio) and the rent that is being paid by the rescue to someone is pretty darn high. Why, the board is paying her $13,000 RENT on her own property. The total value of the land + home is $69.360 and the taxes were quite low. To whom are they paying $950 in board? How is it possible to spend only $1665 on the farrier when she has a web page up stating that she saved 200 horses in one year? On 2.25 acres? How in the world are they claiming they spent $16,972 on bldgs/barns/grounds?

    Nope, I'm not feeling good about it. I may be completely wrong but it's not sitting right with me.

    https://www.citizenaudit.org/050449913/ All the 990's filed 2001 - 2013. I only looked at 2013 - briefly.
     
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  6. venomvalleyequi

    venomvalleyequi Senior Member

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    Their numbers seem very high.... I dont know anything about them except everyone donates to them... x.x
     
  7. CoffeeBean

    CoffeeBean Senior Member

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    From the Ohio Attorney General site (charity registration)

    Organization Name: Last Chance Corral
    Employer identification number (EIN): 05-0449913


    Address line 1: 5350 US Rt 33 South
    Address line 2:
    City: Athens
    State: Ohio
    ZIP code: 45701
    County: Athens
    Country: United States
    Telephone: (740)594-4336
    Web address: www.lastchancecorral.org
    Date of formation: 08/01/1990
    Organization type: 501(c)(3)
    Description of Organization’s Purpose:
    Is the organization's registration status current? Yes
    The financial information below is from the organization’s most recent filing within the on-line system. If the items below are blank, the organization has not yet filed information on-line or they may be exempt from filing an annual report.
    Reporting Year: 2013
    Reporting Start Date: 1/1/2013
    Reporting End Date: 12/31/2013

    Total Revenue: $256,496.00
    Total Expenses: $218,427.00
    Total Program Expenses: $218,427.00
    Percent of Total Expenses: 100%
    Total Assets: $183,371.00


    Director or Boardmember List:
    Victoria Goss
    Stacy Rourke
    Jackie Deddens
    Kathy Lee
    Rachel Bendler
    Leni Sheeks
    Karen Richards
    Karen Tinsley

    Oh my god - I've looked up some of the previous BOD members and it leaves me with my jaw hanging open. Even some of the current ones.

    Athens Municipal Court also has a few records on Victoria L. Goss.

    I'm still interested in what happened in 2009/2010 re: claims brought by someone who was on the BOD at one point in time.

    03/24/2009COMPLAINT FOR UNJUST ENRICHMENT FILED Receipt: 12146 Date: 03/24/2009
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    [TD]05/01/2009[/TD]
    [TD="class: formattedText"]JOURNAL ENTRY REGARDING MEDIATION REFERRAL FILED W (JR 527 PG 924) Receipt: 25666 Date: 09/17/2010[/TD]
    [TD="class: currency"]$0.00[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: rowodd"]
    [TD]04/27/2010[/TD]
    [TD="class: formattedText"]NOTICE OF WITHDRAWAL FILED Attorney: TOY, K. ROBERT (0011061) Receipt: 25666 Date: 09/17/2010[/TD]
    [TD="class: currency"]$0.00[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: roweven"]
    [TD]08/06/2010[/TD]
    [TD="class: formattedText"]VOLUNTARY DISMISSAL FILED Attorney: PRO-SE (PRO) Receipt: 25666 Date: 09/17/2010[/TD]
    [TD="class: currency"]$0.00[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: rowodd"]
    [TD]08/16/2010[/TD]
    [TD="class: formattedText"]DISMISSAL ENTRY FILED (DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE) W (JR 56 PG 733) Receipt: 25666 Date: 09/17/2010
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
     
  8. CoffeeBean

    CoffeeBean Senior Member

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    Yeah, well, they may be okay but I would want someone to go and ask to see the books, their form 1023 or form 1024 (ask for both, one applies), etc. before donating a dime. As it happens, there are complaints about their NOT providing the information (which is not only wrong, it's ILLEGAL) when it's requested.

    For crying out loud, they keep on lending Victoria Goss money. This is from 2008!
    http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/050/050449913/050449913_200812_990.pdf
     
  9. Charliemyheart

    Charliemyheart Senior Member

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    The thing is even when I was living under the so out of the horse world rock I still knew about them. What does that say? Everyone likes foals even if you don't want to own one I think that is why so many people donate. Well and because of the sob story.
     
  10. manesntails

    manesntails Senior Member

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    I do know a farm, met the woman, visited the farm that provides nurse mares for orphaned foals. Some of the foals are TB from race mares that they wanted to get back into training, BUT, now there is egg collection and surrogates so this isn't needed any longer for the TB mares. I would think 20,000 might have been accurate years ago, but not now. The Farm I'm familiar with had a dozen or so nurse mares that would feed multiple foals a day.
     
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