I am looking for a saddle that I can use with Tiff and also possible with Azar. They have remarkably similar backs... Wide and short. That is why I am thinking that an arabian tree will work best for them. They measure at about 23 inches for length on their backs before the saddle would pinch at the shoulder, or rub at the hip. Both of them have low withers, so wither/gullet height won't be too big of a problem. I will do a back tracing for both of them, and photograph the results for you all. I have been in love with the Simco arabian saddles for a long time. What I want to do with the saddle is some training and mostly trail riding for them. Anyone have any reccomendations for a good saddle that might work for us? I am looking hopefully for something used, in the 500$ range.