Hey all! I've been on this forum long enough to know there are some very smart people here. Perhaps you can share some insight into my shoulder issues that seem to confuse a bunch of doctors. Back story: On November 8, I was throwing hay to horses at the barn. In all, I was feeding 4 horses and was forking hay over the fence to them. Hay was not particularly heavy, nor was I moving fast or in any unfamiliar ways. I'm not a stranger to throwing hay and this is a fairly common thing for me to do. The next day, I could not move both of my arms and when I did, pain radiated from the front of my shoulder, down my upper arms and dissipated around the elbow. I figured I tweaked a muscle, used some muscle liniment and took it easy for a couple days; pretty typical routine for sore muscles. Muscles did not feel better after over two weeks of waiting and advil/ibuprofen/aspirin/robax did not have any bearing on the pain. That's not unusual for me, since most pain meds don't really work. Codeine and T3s also have no effect (I know this from the time I did something to my collar bone and the doctor prescribed liquid codeine first and then T3s when the codeine didn't help the collar bone pain). Treatment: (ETA) I went to the doctor first, who told me it was sore muscles and to take it easy - despite me telling him I'd already taken it easy and treated it as sore muscles for the last couple weeks. Then I went to the Chiropractor, who told me my neck was out. He prescribed gentle adjustments 3 times a week for two weeks, plus icing the area for 15 minutes every 4 hours. After two weeks, there was no improvement, so he ordered x-rays of my spine. Turns out I have something called Spinal Subluxation, which is a $1200 treatment on top of thrice weekly adjustments. He was only ever adjusting my neck and not addressing my shoulders, so I decided to visit a Physiotherapist for Sports Injuries. The Physio determined I had a torn bicep muscle in my right arm and minor strain in my left. He did a round of ultrasound wave therapy and something called Inter Muscular Stimulation and gave me light exercises to do. After the first appointment, I could move my arms which was great. He asked me to come back three times a week for the first two weeks, then twice a week for the next two weeks and gradually taper off to once a week. I did that for about 3 weeks, even though the pain did come back. After three weeks of that, I visited a doctor to see if they had other ideas. The doctor (a rheumatoid specialist) sent me for blood work and x rays. Blood work came back completely normal and my thyroid tested at "optimal" levels. Apparently they can test for rheumatoid arthritis in blood now (cool!), but my results came back negative for that. X-rays showed absolutely NO damage to my shoulder, neck or upper arms. In fact, the doctor was surprised given my history with horses. No breaks, chips, spurs, nothing. My ultrasound is scheduled for February 1 and he gave me 10% Diclofenac to use as a topical anti inflammatory. Currently: I am still in horrible pain and the Diclofenac absolutely does not work. I guessed it wouldn't, since other topical anti-inflammatories have a history of not working on me, but the doctor seemed sure it would help. I am unable to sleep on my side or back, and wake up hourly due to pain. I actually don't want to go to sleep because I know it will hurt. My hands go numb and this morning, it took me almost 20 minutes to put my socks on since it feels like I have no strength in my hands. I know I do, because I've done 4 separate strength tests with 4 different professionals and all are surprised at how much strength I have given the amount of pain I'm in. I went back to the doctor tonight (a different one at the same clinic) and after looking over my file, he has opted to send me for two more blood tests - one to test again for arthritis (the first test missed this specific one) and muscle enzymes or something like that. He also gave me a number to call to expedite my ultrasound, even though he feels it'll come back clean give the results of everything else. He asked if I had a history of illness, and I don't. As a kid, my worst illness was chicken pox on the back of pneumonia. Since then, I've had the occasional seasonal cold. About 5 years, I contracted mono, but it was a minor case, mostly stress related apparently - 14 days of antibiotics and a couple days home in bed and I felt 100% better. I can count on one hand the number of colds I've had since then. I don't drink, smoke or do drugs and I eat pretty healthy - I'm in good shape, not over or under weight and I'm fairly active. The only health issues in my family is breast cancer (aunt - maternal), carpel tunnel (mother) and glaucoma (grandmother - maternal). My dad's side has one instance of heart issues and dementia. The majority of my family is extremely healthy, living until 90+ with minimal health issues. So that's where I am. I have a very high pain tolerance (to the point where I broke ribs and continued working and didn't know I broke the bone in the top of my foot). Having both shoulders in such pain effects my life to the point where I can't function normally. Putting socks on takes 20 minutes, easing my arms into a jacket takes about the same and careful maneuvering, showering and washing my hair is a trial of patience. I haven't had a full night's sleep since the beginning of November and it's starting to affect my mental stability - my temper is through the roof, I can't focus and I have no attention span because I'm tired. I find myself crying for no reason. I can't lift my arms above my head without moving extremely carefully and sudden movement causes shooting pain down my arms. I can't move my fingers independently (but that's been ongoing since I was a kid) and now the pain is spreading into my left knee. Sorry for the novel, but maybe someone here has an idea of what else I could ask my doctor to look into? I've already paid close to $1000 in treatments (since I don't have benefits and pay for chiro, physio and medication out of pocket) and I'd love to be able to reduce this pain by even 50%.