Indian Shuffle...Appaloosa

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  1. OhSoAppy

    OhSoAppy Senior Member+

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    I have been reading up a lot on Foundation Appaloosa's, and have come across this term quite frequently.

    Can someone explain to me what it is exactly? The history behind it? A few videos on You Tube looks like they are just gaited.

    Here is the video example I am talking about:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utrJMzeAklY"]YouTube- Indian Shuffle - Magic Snow Flake[/ame]
     






  2. jmjarabians

    jmjarabians Senior Member+

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    My old Appaloosa Joe was a shuffler. Smoothest gait ever. It's found mostly in old Appaloosa lines that carry alot of the Spanish influence. I believe it's a true extra gait. My app Joe could walk, trot, shuffle, and canter. It's totally different from any of the three regular gaits. So to answer your question, yes, an Appaloosa who shuffles IS gaited. There isn't many left that can.
     
  3. cassidy

    cassidy Senior Member+

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    it is a strange gait to watch....
     
  4. jmjarabians

    jmjarabians Senior Member+

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    To me it's WAY more comfy than a Walker, Icelandic, or Paso. And I've ridden them all. :)
     
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    Eastowest Senior Member+

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    In my experience, the term "Indian Shuffle" is used to refer to any intermediate 4 beat gait that an Appaloosa does-- and those gaits can vary by bloodline/individual. A mare I owned, for example, had more of a foxtrot type gait-- it was less lateral than the horse shown in the video.

    As was mentioned, some shufflers might hark back to Spanish ancestry and its associated "gaitedness" by virtue of old pre-registry appaloosa bloodlines; some inherit gait from more recent crossing of other Spanish-influenced gaited (or sometimes gaited) breeds into the Appaloosa genepool-- the early ApHC allowed any light-horse bloodlines besides known pintos to be used in breeding Appaloosas, and as a registry it officially sanctioned crossing to Tennessee Walking Horses up until 1973, and sanctioned using Morgan, Saddlebred, and Standardbred up until 1986.

    There are Appaloosa breeders trying to specifically breed shufflers, but so far it is proving to be somewhat inconsistent-- there are some lines the trait seems to be found in more often than others, but it is still not a true-breeding trait, even when breeders are trying for it using lines known to produce it from time to time.
     
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    Wow I've never heard of that before!!! Guess you learn something new every day!
     
  8. wakiya

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    Many CS horses are gaited and the "indian shuffle" is quite common
     
  9. OhSoAppy

    OhSoAppy Senior Member+

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    Thank you so much for the information everyone.

    So it sounds like it is hit and miss when breeding to pass it down....and it is a fourth gait? So these horses can still do a regular two beat trot? Very, very neat.

    On a side note, in my quest of looking at Foundation App's I came across this guy.

    I am in love! (he does not shuffle, from my reading)

    http://palisadesapps.homestead.com/zeke.html
     
  10. Eastowest

    Eastowest Senior Member+

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    I like alot about him too-- but as far as being "Foundation Appaloosa", there would be some controversy over that thought, depending on which Appaloosa org. or set of breeders you talked to. His paternal grandsire is a QH who goes to Impressive (any Impressive ancestry is not allowed with one of the "main" FA registries) and his damside goes to a fair amount of QH ancestry with a lack of the more 'sought after' foundation lines (among the more strict breeders who breed and register specifically "Foundation" Appaloosas)

    That said, I believe he would qualify for ApHC Foundation Pedigree Designation, and could sire foals that also qualified. The FPD program however is not considered to be any indication of being "real Foundation" by a significant group of Appaloosa breeders, because all it does is count up the # of ApHC registered horses in the first 30 ancestors of the horse, without any requirement that they have F-numbered ancestors, or any restrictions on type/white markings etc.
     






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