I have an older but good shape Pastene International saddle: 17" seat, wide tree, about the only thing wrong is it is missing a leather keeper on one side and a dee ring or two, and I think it had knee rolls at one point but they have been worn down, there is a couple small scratches in the seat and wear marks, I am thinking one of the billets is wearing thin, but of course, there are three on each side, so it won't matter much. it is still a nice saddle for being older. It does not come with the leather, irons, or girth, I need them for my Christmas saddle! I'm really needing a western saddle for training! Pics, sorry if they are bad, I just took some and it's in my bedroom, so the lighting is kinda crappy! Just let me know if you are interested and I can get some new pics!