Half Breed Registries are ????

Discussion in 'Horse Breeding' started by Top Dun, Feb 8, 2007.

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  1. Worthless

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  2. only ok for some horses

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  3. Perfectly acceptable

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  4. Other (explain)

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  1. Top Dun

    Top Dun Senior Member+

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    OK this question is not about the debate on breeding but about weather half breed registries are worth registering a horse with.

    As an example:

    Say a person has a really nice mare Possible TB, but can't proove parentage. Mare has been competing in (insert event of your choice) and winning/placing well. Mare is nice tempered, well conformed and has a performance record. BUT she doesn't have a pedigree.

    Owner wants to breed said mare and wants foal to be registered so Owner looks for registries that will accept foals of partially unknown parentage. ( ie Half Arab, Pinto, Half Peruvian Paso, Appaloosa for Appaloosa sport horse Etc)

    Foal gets registration papers because Stallion is registered and has all pedigree information.
    What is your opinion on said foals value and the Value of the Half-whatever Papers?
     






  2. Blistering Winds

    Blistering Winds Senior Member+

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    Well, in the world where TB's and such perform...dressage, show jumping, etc...

    Pedegree does not matter to enter.

    Performance CAN out do a paper'd individual. However the true value of the horse will not be as high as a fully papered horse with the same caliber and performance record.

    and a half papered horse is more worthy than a no paper horse in the "hierarchy" of things.

    I'd go at least half on an awesome performing mare.
     
  3. tightpaycheck

    tightpaycheck Senior Member+

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    Mostly worthless in my opinion. With a few exceptions. Half arab being the only one I can think of. You can show at arabian shows with them, as far as I know. The only thing that makes a horse worth a ton of money is the ability to win at the big shows. A horse that can win at the Paint world show might bring $30,000 or more. The exact same horse with no papers(or breeding stock) might bring $5000. Having half papers won't change that value at all.
    I wouldn't pay more for a horse because he has papers if all I want is a good trail horse. It really doesn't matter. But if you want to breed I think it is very good to have a papered horse. If nothing else, at least you can trace the pedigree in case something like HYPP pops up. And you always know how old he is instead of guessing by looking at his teeth
    And of course if you are showing something that isn't breed related papers don't matter much either way. If he can jump 5' and look good doing it no one cares what or if he is registered.
     
  4. Sandra-A1

    Sandra-A1 Senior Moderator

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    I voted.....Okay for some horses....because....
    In my opinion, it really depends of the registry...
    Some have a lot to offer horses that are registered with them, as well as the owners. Activities and other incentives such as shows, futurities, cash payback programs and various awards are what I would be looking for and basing my value and/or purchasing decision on.
    The paper only ones to me have no value.
     
  5. Top Dun

    Top Dun Senior Member+

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    This is generally the registries I'm talking about.
    Half Arab
    Half Peruvian Paso
    Pinto
    some of the Various sport horse registries

    This Thread Basically stems from a post on a different forum where some one said that the only thing worth registereing was TB QH and paints or Dilutes (palamino and Buckskins)
    Everything else was worthless (their words not mine)
    Even down to the point that Half breeds competing against other half breeds was pretty worthless, and Half breeders were no better than back yard breeders.


     
  6. shell

    shell Senior Member+

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    May breed registries have "Half" divisions in their shows. I voted they are accectable.
     
  7. GingerSnap

    GingerSnap Senior Member+

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    I am truly not sure how I FEEL about half breed registries...for example...one of my mini's is AMHA registered, but she can also be registered pinto..does it really matter if she has color... that shows on the AMHA papers...I still haven't sent in her pinto papers cause I am not so sure they are all that important. I am kinda confused by why pinto papers would be all that important since it is only a color registry...
     
  8. JBandRio

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    I voted Perfectly Acceptable, but as with everything, "it depends" LOL

    The reason for a particular owner wanting to do a half registry makes all the difference in the world. The reason for the 1/2 registry's existence in the first place makes a big difference.

    If they don't accomplish anything else, a registry that also tracks the performance of the horses is quite valuable for people who are looking to choose good stallions for their mares. There are some breeds that need to be kept pure - drafts, for example - but that also make VERY nice crosses with certain types of other horses. If you have that "other" breed and are looking to create an X foal, it's nice to be able to find such crossbreds in that registry who are performing well in your discipline. Otherwise it's merely a c.rapshoot as to whether or not you can find them.
     
  9. Top Dun

    Top Dun Senior Member+

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    Well the Question is not really about a horse that can already be registered else where. For example the Mini already has a pedigree and another registry. But for example you have a mare with a totally unknown back ground bred to a Pinto registered stallion and you get a registered pinto foal with half a pedigree and full registry association points for shows and such.

    And the Pinto registery is a relatively reputable registry as they are closign the books to hardships stallions ( ie not letting in new stallions on color alone) and they have showing options, A trail/recreational program and other benefits.
    Welcome to the Pinto Horse Association of America, Inc.

    Take for example two foals side by side both of equal conformation and looks. One foal is Half a pedigree (ie known pedigree on one side only) and the other foal is totally unknown all around. Both foals are basically close to identical in looks, Temperment, Movement, color etc. But only one has half a known background. Which one whould you choose? The one with at least half a known background or the one without anything?

    Which one would you consider more valuable?

    One with papers shoing at least partial background or one with nothing at all but the looks?

     
  10. Sandra-A1

    Sandra-A1 Senior Moderator

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    :) Well, a good horse is a good horse no matter what it's breeding and registration.....or lack of. :wink:
    While I do prefer the purebred horse (and in no way am a snob :no: )...speaking only for myself here.......if the registry has shows and other activities in my area then yes, I would be interested in purchasing the half bred horse if I really liked it.
    For me competition is competition, no matter if the horse is pure or partbred. :wink:
    I have knowledge of, as well as experience with, the AHA Half Arabian division, and some with the PtHA too..... and both have activities and opportunities that make having a horse registered with them a incentive for me to purchase a horse registered with them and register a horse with them. :wink:
    I have no problem with a horse of unknown breeding being bred so that the foal can be registered...naturally, I prefer the registry to be an "active" one and not just a paper one though.

    All things being equal...the horse registered with a registry that has a lot to offer would be the one that I would consider more valuable....at least to me. So.....no registration with an active registry then no interest on my part........:D
     






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