Few spot Appaloosa throwing colour %

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  1. Alsosusieq2

    Alsosusieq2 Senior Member

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    I recently was reading about the few spot Appaloosas and unless I misunderstood it, it seems to be the pattern that consistently throws coloured foals. Have I misunderstood this, or is that accurate?
     
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    endurgirl Senior Member

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    From reading what our members with few spot appys, you're correct. They are guaranteed to throw color, which makes no sense to me. :rofl:

    @Dream27 @tlwidener
     
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    Alsosusieq2 Senior Member

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    Thanks, I thought I was catching what he was saying. The breeder was thrilled with his broodmares that were few spot. I can imagine so if you were guaranteed a patterned foal. ;)
     
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    Few spots are maximally expressed Appaloosa patterns. Similar to a max white Paint horse. They don’t lack pattern. They are the max expression of it. Remove the LP genes from the appy and you have a plain bay or sorrel or whatever. Where there is white, there is a pattern gene of some kind. Every time.

    The difference between a max white Paint (which is not guaranteed to throw colour most of the time) and a few spot appy is that few spot apps are homozygous for LP (the leopard complex). This means that they will throw Appaloosa characteristics on every single foal. Guaranteed.

    Snow caps are the same thing, just the blanket version.
     
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    CabterCrazy Senior Member

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    Just trying to understand this clearly. So Goose is from a blanketed appy dam and her sire was a lepeord appy, but Goose is a solid bay minus a half sock on her foot. If I bred her to an appy, she would produce spots?
     
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    So basically they're one big spot?


    *colors kill me* :faint:
     
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    Alsosusieq2 Senior Member

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    The few spot appys I've seen are almost all cream/white with no or little spots. I have seen posted like Goose where they say few spot, but I don't know if that's really accurate. Only thing I do know is you're never assured of the pattern they'll throw with appys.

    Good question though. I'd like to find out from an appy breeder. You probably would have a patterned foal based on the odds.
     
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    Alsosusieq2 Senior Member

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    Colours kill me too. It's gotten so complicated, my head spins. :cool:
     
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    No appy characteristic?

    Technically, if you breed any horse to an appy, you have a 50% chance at a coloured or at least characteristic foal.

    If she doesn’t have any characteristic, then she doesn’t have LP to pass herself. It is possible that she carries a PATN gene, though. PATN (what causes leopard or blanket) only expresses when LP is present (LP turns on appy characteristic and allows the spots to express)
     
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    Yes! One big spot.

    It’s a spectrum.

    No LP: Plain bay horse.
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    One LP, one or more PATN genes: Bay Leopard Horse
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    Two LP, one or more PATN genes: Fewspot horse.
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    Without the LP and PATN genes, the horse would look just like the plain one I posted first.

    LP without PATN: Varnish appy
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