Do you see any improvement?

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  1. ibsammy

    ibsammy Senior Member

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    Ive posted before about my struggles with Lola and Im wanting some validation that Im not crazy. Do you see any improvement to her weight? What body score would you put her at?

    Lola last night: (didnt get grain for about a week, too icy to make it up the driveway to the barn)
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    2/9:
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    September 2018:
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    Before she shipped north, ~August 2018:
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    I went through and found Lola at her fattest. Im not convinced our feed combination is right right now, but theres so many outside factors its hard to say (stress, lameness, brutal cold, suspected ulcers)

    Summer 2016: Lola on Ultium/prairie grass hay (tiny amount of grass until she killed it)
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    Lola 1/2017: This picture gives me pause. Shes noticably "fuller" looking than she is now, but her ribs are still visable.
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    She has grown, significantly, since I got her. She was 2 and manourished, got weight on her and shes grown a hand. I actually measured her yesterday and she came in at 14.2, tipping 14.3. She's very narrow and has well sprung ribs. Ive done a complete ulcer treatment (gastric and hindgut ulcers), and will continue her on equishure and nexium for the next 30 days. Shes currently getting 5 lbs of TC Senior, Equishure, nexium, and smartpaks weight gain powder, close to daily. Iowa winters are thwarting my efforts for daily. She has free choice grass hay, and there are three bales out so I have no doubt shes actually getting some now. She needs her teeth done, but theyre not awful. Iowa winters are also thwarting that effort, but vet should be able to come out soon. She sometimes drops a little bit of grain, but thats usually when shes being a looky loo at the horses running around the arena. Shes come in and out of heat in the last month. Since treating for ulcers shes noticably feeling better. Fully sound now. Ive started her in LIGHT work, because her manners were getting to be inexcusable and shes feeling frisky. Full time turnout, 15 minute hand walks, and about 5 minutes of hand jogging or lunging daily. Ive started her on what I call my horsey calisthenics program to try and even her out after being lame for a month (stretches, hand walking, backing in hand).

    I got a bag of ultium, knowing that she does well on it, and I dont feel like I'm seeing the gains I should be on TC. Upping the volume of TC senior isnt feasible, I cant do twice daily feedings and 5 lbs is the max they recommend for a single feeding.

    Dont hold me to the 5 lbs measurement, I measured a while back and converted to volume and I think it was 5 lbs but ill weigh again and see.

    Thoughts? Do you see an improvement? Am I just being impatient?
     
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    BluemoonOKy Senior Member

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    A) smart paks are a waste of money. That little bitty packet isn't going to do a thing. Save your money and buy something more effective.
    B) if you haven't grained her, is she still getting her ulcer meds ?
    C) is she blanketed ? I would blanket her if weather is that bad to prevent loosing more weight.
    D) I use rice bran and flax, mccauleys omega bran to put weight on one. I make sure whatever I'm using is at least 10 % fat to put weight on.
    E) get yourself a weight tape and use it to gauge progress.
    F) I also use alfalfa in addition to mixed grass hay especially for growing horses.
     
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  3. ibsammy

    ibsammy Senior Member

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    Unfortunately, she's boarded so I don't have a lot say in what hay they feed, as they feed everyone the same. It's a large pasture with 3 shelters, and 3 round bales outside of the shelters. When I first got her I did follow UC Davis starved horse refeeding protocol. We were in KS, which has blister beetles, so we did alfalfa pellets vs flakes. As a note, she turns 5 in April, I got her right after her 2nd birthday.
     
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    emali06 Senior Member

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    I think her weight looks decent. She has a bit of a rafter hip that won't improve with any kind of feed. A friend of mine always gets crap for her "skinny" horse but he has SERIOUS rafter hips. Even at his fattest he looks boney in the hind end. I would want more muscle on her but that all comes with time and correct work.

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  5. Faster Horses

    Faster Horses Senior Member

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    What breed is she?

    To me, she looks like a gangly gaited horse who needs to grow into herself. Given her age...I don't find that impossible to believe.

    FWIW, I got a starved gelding at 2.5, so starved during the important growing years. He will be 6 early this summer--he's still growing and drastically changing shape.

    My STB, on the other hand, was narrow as a rail until the late fall of his 4 y.o. year when he started getting wider and looking more like...a horse. He had a perfect upbringing.

    I wouldn't discount age being a factor.
     
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  6. ibsammy

    ibsammy Senior Member

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    Dam:
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    ibsammy Senior Member

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    That makes me feel better. She is the product of backyard breeding, so by all means I was expecting her to come out a bit of a trainwreck buildwise. She is an arab x paint. The idiot breeder planned her, and I was able to register her, but her parents aren't particularly impressive or well suited for each other.
     
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    ibsammy Senior Member

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    She is an arab x paint (arab sire: The Thyme Bandit). I attached pictures of mom but I guess I didn't save pictures of dad before they took their site down. That also makes me feel better. I waited until she was 4 to lightly start her (she has about a dozen rides) because of her late start. Looking back through pictures I can definitely see her growth spurts.
     
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    Looks like the sire is Polish Arab, which would explain the well sprung ribs. I say watch this year--I bet she will end up widening in the front a LOT.
     
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    For what it's worth, here are her lines: Ritzy Rosa Arabian

    Her half brother looks pretty similar to her (same sire, but he's full Arab. They're 2 weeks different in age, rescued at the same time)
     

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