DMSO for healing wound and possible proud flesh.

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  1. Taxi Jumper

    Taxi Jumper Senior Member+

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    Ok, so I might be paranoid but just hear me out.

    Last Saturday Trouble got an abrasion on the inside of her right leg about 3-4" above the knee. Her leg, and knee were really swollen, but I cleaned the cut out with water and gauze, put furazone on it, gave her bute, and wrapped it. The wrap of course was at her ankle by the next day, so I didn't wrap it again. However, I made sure it was clean and it started scabbing up so Jim was putting furazone on it all week, today was the last day. She got bute saturday-monday.

    Now her swelling has gone down, but today I noticed that the actual area where her cut is is swollen it's like a bump there. It's not pus-ing or anything as far as I can tell, but it's hard to know with the furazone leftovers on there. I've now found out that furazone can promote proud flesh so I am worried this will form. Does it sound like the beginning of proud flesh? Or just normal?

    Any thoughts about putting DMSO on it? I have a tube of the gel Domoso (for small animals but it's the same stuff I got it for free at the vet I used to work for) will this help the body to absorb the extra flesh that seems to be forming?

    Also, this wound is not closed, it is scabbed over, but I'm not sure if I can use DMSO on an open, or not completely healed wound... Help?

    The vet is coming out Monday for shots so I am planning on asking her about it then, but I was wondering if there was anything I could do until then. :help!:
     






  2. Taxi Jumper

    Taxi Jumper Senior Member+

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    Anyone????
     
  3. dpcinderella

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    I swear by DMSO, I use it on myself too. I love the stuff. I know I am probably going to hear from those who don't, but I think it is good stuff. Keep it clean, no peroxide and put some DMSO....IMHO...I am NOT an expert, just have had horses for a long time and did what had to be done!!
     
  4. Ryle

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    DMSO isn't for application directly to wounds. I wouldn't recommend putting furazone on leg wounds. The newest information is that it actually can cause proud flesh.

    I would clean the area well with either betadine or chlorhexidine and then apply a plain triple antibiotic ointment like you would use on your own wounds. Then keep it wrapped...you need to apply not only the wrap right over the wound but wrap all the way down the leg so that the wrap stays in place. You can do this as two seperate wraps stacked up---called oddly enough a "stack wrap".

    If you are seeing swelling at the wound, I would be sure to look for heat in the wound or drainage and also check your horse's temperature. It wouldn't be a bad idea at all just to call your vet just to discuss things.
     
  5. EquineVet09

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    DMSO is amazing! We use it all the time at the clinic.
    Pulling catheters, take a little thing of gauze pads and furizone DMSO mix.
    For hot packing take gauze pads in a big baggy or something with hot hot water. Cover it in DMSO
    MAKE SURE YOU USE GLOVES
    DMSO for humans is not a good thing. It can cause cancer I believe.
     
  6. calmer

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    DMSO is a wonderful natural product that is excellent for both humans and horses. Many people have heard various things that are simply not true about DMSO.

    Personally I drink 5mls of pure DMSO a day in a glass of water as does Dr Stanley Jacob who first bought DMSO to mainstream attention.

    For accuracy I prefer to quote scientific literature to guide us all away from ignorance on this subject.

    1) Scar tissue in man before and after DMSO therapy show improvement towards normal. Engle MF. Indications and contraindications for the use of DMSO in clinical dermatology. Ann NY Acad Sci. 1967 Mar 15;141(1):638-45. PMID:5233139.

    2) We monitored efficacy of DMSO to modulate growth in breast tumour cells. DMSO alone significantly diminished both the plating and S-phase, which resulted in 71.7% growth inhibition at the 96 hour. Bilir A. Acetaminophen and DMSO modulate growth and gemcitabine cytotoxicity in FM3A breast cancer cells in vitro. Neoplasma. 2004;51(6):460-4. PMID:15640956.

    3) DMSO exerts a marked inhibitory effect on a wide range of bacteria and fungi including at least one parasite, at concentrations of 8 to 40%. Basch H. In vitro antimicrobial activity of dimethylsulfoxide. Appll Microbiol. 1968 Dec;16(12):1953-4. PMID:5726171.

    4) Topical 70% DMSO showed potent anti-inflammatory properties in Arthritis, Contact Dermatitis, and Allergic Eczema. Gorog P. Effect of DMSO on various experimental cutaneous reactions. Pharmacology, 1969;2(5):313-9. PMID:4242650.

    My considered advice is to apply DMSO to the lesion twice a day - once in the morning and once at night. The strength of the DMSO gel should not be stronger than 70% as strengths greater than this may cause skin irritation. Always test a little DMSO on the skin first as about 0.1% of the human and animal population have a mild allergic reaction to DMSO.

    It is not necessary to wear gloves, however it is advisable to apply a good quality moisturiser to your hands after application as it can dry out your hands.

    Kind Regards
    DMSO New Zealand
    www.DMSO.co.nz
     
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  7. Taxi Jumper

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    Ok now I'm even more confused... I have 2 people who say to use the DMSO and one who says don't. I was afraid of the DMSO irritating the wound.

    I don't think I am going to be able to keep it wrapped, she has to be out I can't keep her in a stall.

    I am definitely not using the furazone anymore.

    I also have this stuff called Hydro-B 1020, it has cortisone and burrow's solution. Would this be good to put on it?

    ETA: I was writing this before I saw what you wrote Calmer. Thanks!
     
  8. Xiphias

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    Ryle is a Registered Veternary Tech. for one, I would listen to her advice...

    Another thing that I know about DMSO is that it goes straight into the blood stream, even when put on normal undamaged skin, and can carry any germs or bactiria straight into the blood stream...I would advise not to use it, unless under extream sterile conditions, if at all...wait for your vet, before using it, your horse will not get any worst by then....

    Cathy :)
     
  9. calmer

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    Please Note:

    1) DMSO gets into the blood after 5 minutes in man and after one hour reaches the bone. Kolb, K.H., Janicke, G., Kramer, M., Schulze, P.E., and Raspe, G. Absorption, distribution and elimination of labeled dimethyl sulfoxide in man and animals. Ann. N.Y. Acad. Sci. 141: 85095 (1967).

    2) DMSO will transport a minimal amount of chemicals with a molecular weight of less than 1000 but will NOT carry bacteria or viruses. Perlman, F., and Wolfe, H.F. Dimethyl Sulfoxide as a penetrant carrier of allergens through intact human skin. J. Allergy 38: 299-307 (1966)

    3) DMSO occurs naturally and has been identified (0.07 to 16 ppm) in alfalfa, asparagus, barley, beans, beets, cabbage, corn, cucumbers, oats, onions, swiss chard, tomatoes, apples, raspberries, spearmint, beer, milk, coffee and tea. This natural occurrence insures that the body can dispose of DMSO by well-established metabolic processes. Pearson T. Natural occurring levels of dimethyl sulfoxide in selected fruits, vegetables, grains, and beverages. J Agric Food Chem. 29, 1089-1091 (1981). PMID:7309994.

    4) A very extensive toxicology study of DMSO was conducted at (approx 10ml per kg of body weight per day) 3 to 30 times the usual treatment dose in humans, for 3 months. DMSO appears to be a very safe drug for human administration. I am very glad to be able to present this data at this time, so that we can permanently dispel the myth that DMSO is in any way a toxic or dangerous drug. After considerable work in evaluating thousands of cases that were treated in 1964 and 1965, and after this special toxicology study, I feel that we can unequivocally say that DMSO is quite safe, and now the only necessary task is the proof of its efficacy in specific indications. Richard D. Brobyn - Bainbridge Medical Center Bainbridge Island, Washington. (http://www.dmso.org/articles/information/brobyn.html)

    5) DMSO has one oxygen molecule attached to a sulfur atom. When it attracts another oxygen molecule it becomes MSM, which is commonly available as a health food supplement. When it gives away all its oxygen it becomes Dimethyl Sulfide, which evaporates with a garlic smell.
    This means that when your horse smells a little of garlic - you have delivered oxygen deep into the tissues to speed healing.

    Kind Regards
    DMSO New Zealand
    www.DMSO.co.nz
     
  10. Xiphias

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    Welcome to the forum....I see that you are from down under? Here in the usa, DMSO is not for human use...the FDA has not approved it for use in humans...

    Cathy :)
     






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