Difference between Eventers/Hunter Jumpers etc...

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  1. yuvgotmel

    yuvgotmel Senior Member

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    I guess I am wondering if it takes different conformation/personality/abilities to do different english disciplines. Like, can an event horse be a hunter jumper? Or a huntseat horse? Or HUS? I guess I really don't understand the difference between all these disciplines and what type of horse it takes to do these various disciplines. Can someone fill me in???
     






  2. CowGirlUp1833

    CowGirlUp1833 Senior Member+

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    Well, first, it can very GREATLY depending on where in the world you are at, which circuit and/or which breed when you start to talk about HUS, H/J, Hunter Hack, etc.

    MOST horses can do any sport on some level (provided you don't want to show a Morgan at a AQHA show or a TB at a ApHC show! LOL)

    Will a horse that would excel at Eventing excel in Hunters? Probably not. Even less likely to excel at HUS on a breed circuit.

    I think there are probably more similarities between Hunter/Jumpers and Hunter Hack and HUS (Breed show) then there is between that and Eventing. Eventing is 3 phases - Dressage, Cross Country and Stadium jumping.

    A jumper (from Hunter/Jumpers) may do well in the stadium portion, but without proper conditioning and training would probably not do well in the Dressage and CC phases.

    I doubt that cleared anything up for you, huh? LOL
     
  3. yuvgotmel

    yuvgotmel Senior Member

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    Haha yes I understand some now. But like, why can't an event horse be a good hunter? Does one require a great amount of energy and the other doesn't?
     
  4. MIEventer

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    It isn't that an Event Horse cannot be a Hunter, it's just in Hunters - they look for a different style than they do at Horse Trials.

    Any breed can do lower levels in any discipline. It is when you get to Mid and Higher that conformation really does play a huge roll in the horses abillity to answer the questions being asked.

    Like, a Clyde can jump - but how well, for how long to what heights - before the horse starts to break down or show weaknesses.

    An Event Horse - at low levels you find all breeds and colors and sizes. Again, any breed can do any discipline at low levels. But when you get to Mid and Higher Levels, you start to find more Warmblood X TB's because you get the speed and stamina of the TB but the build of a Warmblood which minimalizes the injuries due to the thicker bone than you get out of a finer boned TB. Also the breeds can do the upper level movements asked in the dressage ring and can get the jobs done in the stadium more so than a Morgan or a Draft X or QH X.

    I think there are exceptions to the rule. Look at Teddy O'Connor. He was a 14.1hh pony who took Karen to Rolex and would of taken her to the Olympics.

    I think it all depends on how the horse is built.

    Eventing, you don't have to look pretty. It isn't about style, it isn't about who has the $20,000 warmblood and it isn't about how the horse jumps or how well polished you are in turn out. None of that matters - it is about performance and getting the job done.

    It isn't judged like a Hunter Ring is Judged. It is about whether you crossed the finish line in the alloted time, without faults out on the CC course. Or how well you did in the stadium ring or the dressage ring. There aren't judges watching every move you make and watching meticulously on how your horse jumps this jump via the other jump or what horse was a prettier mover over fences versus yours.

    I believe Hunter Judges look for a style on how the horse jumps and I think it is about what the show ring requires in movement and abillity.

    You can take an Eventer and do Hunters, sure - low levels. Why not. Even upper, depending on how the horse moves.

    I believe it all depends on the horse.

    An Eventer requires allot of stamina - 3 phases of difficult questions that need to be answered. Eventers are trained differently as well. Two completely different sports.

    Now when you take away the discipline and look at the breed itself - that all falls ont he conformation and how the animal was bred/built.

    I don't know much about Hunters because I do not do Hunters. So the demands of a Hunter Horse is better answered by someone who is experienced in that field.

    OH! And I think it is what the horse has heart to do. My TB LOVES to jump and LOVES CC. But his personallity goes down the drain if we do Hunters.
     
  5. idlewild

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    Yes, like what MIEventer is talking about, it's not that the physical demands are different (which they are to an extent, but any horse can have that kind of conditioning), it's about the jumping style.

    An eventer tends to jump flat. They often don't have that picture perfect, round, knees perfect hunter look. They are efficient, on a XC course they get flat and long and just fly over a jump. And in stadium this jumping style transfers over, it's a very flat jump. Now, event horses are still scopey, but it's a different kind of scope. If that makes sense. If they are super tight or not in their knees is not important, what's important is that they are safe and can make it over the jumps.
    Here is a picture of the kind of jumping style I'm talking about
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    Now, that jump the horse is jumping is encouraging that jumping style, but that picture does kinda illustrate what I'm talking about.

    Whereas this your hunter, a much rounder, more square in the knees type of jumper
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  6. yuvgotmel

    yuvgotmel Senior Member

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    :bow: Okay, thanks I understand a lot better now. Thanks for the pics. That really helped me visualize what you were talking about.
     
  7. jumpthemoon

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    Well; this is not correct information.

    At the USEA level (nationally sanctioned eventing) the dressage performance is JUDGED. So, in eventing the dressage portion IS judged just it is in hunters (judges opinions based upon specific criteria).

    :)
     
  8. MIEventer

    MIEventer Senior Member+

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    Great post Idlewild! I love how you showed the difference in the horses body over fences!

    Also, with an Event Horse - you want a horse who can do all 3 disciplines well. The movements required for the Dressage Phase. The controll and rhythm and strength needed for the stadium phase and the boldness, confidence, stamina, strength needed for the CC phase.

    In Hunters, they are looking for specific movements. Movement in the legs, how tucked is the horse over fences, Light and Graceful, Neck Movement over the fence, Easy to Handle, smooth, graceful, not hard to handle - etc, etc, etc, etc.

    It isn't whether an Event Horse cannot do Hunters or if a Hunter Horse cannot do Eventing. Again - it depends on the horse itself indavidually.

    What it really falls down to is the movement and conformation for how well it can do the sport it is being asked to do.
     
  9. Fiona McLeod

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    Most of the eventers I've known have done show-jumping and show-hunter as well, at some point, but I think that may be a cultural thing, most horses down here will do most disciplines to varying degrees (ie Charisma also did Prix St George dressage and show-jumped to 1.30m, he was in the days before show-hunter hit NZ but I'm sure he would've done that too).

    Eventers have to be tough, fast and very fit so they don't always make great show-hunter horses as the jumping styles are completely different, not to mention it can come down to the rider, probably if they're eventers, they may not want to do hunter as IME, eventers tend to be adrenaline junkies (as do the horses!)
     
  10. yuvgotmel

    yuvgotmel Senior Member

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    Thanks all!!! This stuff is fascinating :)
     






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