No, I wouldn't know, I wouldn't. I'd love to know. I'm not calling you a liar, sorry if it sounded like that, we mst be taling about 2 different procedures from what I can gather. All I said about caslick is true, it's not made up, you said in first post we're making things up. You sad all the way up... from c l i t o r i s up? Caslick is done from dorsal commisue down... does not stop mare from winking. What is the procedure you talk about?