Caslick procedure in my tb mare

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  1. Dancers Mom

    Dancers Mom Senior Member+

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    Ok TB trainers and Breeders. I am seriously talking to my trainer about breeding my mare in the next year or two. I want a baby out or her for myself. I do not know what I want to cross her with yet. But while discussing this my trainer mentioned that she noticed her vulva was quite small and then mentioned that she had remembered something she had heard regarding how they will stitch the vulva of a TB mare to make it smaller but she could not remember why. So I came home and looked it up. I indeed agree that my mare has had this procedure or something similar because we compared her to two mares standing next to her and YUP her's in WAYYYY smaller. No way is a stallion getting in there.

    My questions are:

    1. This will need to be opened for breeding?
    2. Can it be left opened after breeding since she is not racing and never has? That way I don't have to close her and reopen for birth
    3. Is this only done to protect for infection as to protect fertility.
     






  2. ACCphotography

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    1: That depends. For live cover, most likely yes in this case. For AI, possibly no depending on your vet.
    2: Possibly, but chances are it was put in for a reason and if breeding I would err on the side of safety and keep it in or put it back in. Yes, it will have to be reopened before she foals.
    3: Mostly, but vaginal/uterine infections are nasty to deal with regardless of their affect on fertility. It could also have been done if the mare is a "wind s.ucker".
     
  3. Dancers Mom

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    Yes I read about that but I also read that it is done to ALL TB racing mares to prevent any infection to protect their fertility. I was just curious because she is the only TB at my barn there for the only horse that has one. She never raced, only trained, never bred obviously so this would be her first one. SO, they would remove the stitching or cut the line before breeding, let it heal then bred and restitch? Then right around or when she begins to foal they would open it again and after foaling they would reclose it? There is nothing harmful about this at all?

    Who ever did this did a good job because we honestly could not see a scar, I mean I think I barely saw one, so who ever did it did a very nice job.

    And yes the breeding would be live cover most likely at my barn.
     
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    IME it's not all TB race mares. It's a bit presumptuous for something to say it's to protect their fertility either as there are many other reasons for doing a caslicks. Furthermore, I've known plenty of non TBs mare who have caslicks done.

    Yes, it would be opened, the mare bred and be restitched. Many mares go through this every single year with no problems.

    Personally I would arrange for the breeding to be done via fresh AI instead of doing live cover. Easier all the way around and much safer too.
     
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    It's pretty much SOP on the track. I'm sure there is the odd mare who is not caslicked, but every former race mare I have had (lots) has had the procedure done.

    I would put it back in after she's confirmed in foal. I have them done on every mare as a little extra insurance.

    As for LC vs AI, I would not choose LC unless I was breeding for a full TB. Then I have no choice if I want JC papers. Be sure you pick a stallion who's get is going to be marketable & registrable & don't do an oddball cross just in case you have to sell in the future.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the OP is going to be breeding to a stallion at her barn.... Not sure if he knows how to collect for AI?

    Like I posted on your Facebook, there are more reasons for caslicking a race mare than just "protecting fertility."

    http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=5200

     
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    Good point about not knowing how to collect. I would get the vet involved and see what they can work out as AI would certainly be easier to handle in this situation if the parties are willing.
     
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    I would check with the vet as well on if the mare even needs a caslick. As said, it is SOP in some barns 'just to be safe'. If her conformation is normal (no tilted woowoo and such), there is no real reason for her to have a caslick that I know of.
     
  9. Dancers Mom

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    This is were I read it. It is common practice in the racing industry to protect fertility. It is done for other reasons but I would understand the first reason.

    http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/horse-health/2001/january/06/caslicks-repair-in-mares.aspx
     
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    Her vulva is very small. We looked like crazy barn women yesterday with three mares lined up, mine in the middle!:eek2: Inspecting their vulva's.:help!:My mare was so good. She just hung out while we were looking for the scar and poking around a little. Then there was Glory, my BO's Arab would had not ad this done, stood quietly while we looked at her's which was normal and and had not had this procedure. And then was Cinnamon who is an Appendix that we think was a former racer who we inspected and it did not look like she had this done. I could imagine what all three horses were thinking of us! Dancers vulva was about the size a a 50 cent piece, maybe a little bigger. Could not see a scar. Now I have read that you can successfully do live cover, as they do with TB. My VET is a reproductive specialist also this breeding I would hope could be done at my barn. However, and I know you all would fry me for this, I want to cross with a Frisian or possible Percheron. If not those them a big QH. My problem is I do not want my horse leaving my barn. I know that is an issue. I am protective of her and want her there. I want her around people I know and trust. I know that the QH is probably the most responsible option but we have a Frisian Paso cross at the barn who is stunning is you can believe it. Now that he is filling out he is looking more and more like a Frisian. We have also had a Percheron TB cross and he was awesome. Something I would purchase.
     






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