Beet Pulp or BOSS causing diarrhea?

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  1. Blondehorse

    Blondehorse Senior Member+

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    Yes, another chapter in the diarrhea saga... we're still struggling with Khavele's runny poo. Am going to call the vet again first thing tomorrow morning, and I've been conversing with PeggySue and GypsyRose about Khavele's diet.

    Ann suggested I post a thread on here asking if anyone has had problems with either beet pulp or BOSS causing diarrhea. I'm going to have to start eliminating things from her diet to see if anything helps, and it would be nice if someone could say "Oh, yeah, my horse got the runs when I tried feeding BOSS!" or something similar so I would have a better idea of the best place to start.

    I sure wish today wasn't Memorial Day, so I could talk to the vet today instead of tomorrow. It's not an emergency situation, but I'd sure like to get to the bottom of it!
     






  2. tbtrainer

    tbtrainer Senior Member+

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    Have you tried Probios?
    I've been feeding BOSS to 13 horses for 2 years and havent had any problems...just throwing that out there for you!
     
  3. Blondehorse

    Blondehorse Senior Member+

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    Yes, she's been getting probiotics and prebiotics.

    She's been fed BOSS, too, without problems before, but (and I forgot to mention this in my OP) she is pregnant right now.

    We (we being the vet and I) thought it was alfalfa and clover causing it, but even after being dry-lotted with grass hay, she's not getting any better.

    The vet said that pregnancy just messes with some mares' digestion, and the rich, high-energy foods such as alfalfa or clover will cause diarrhea in mares who can ordinarily eat it without problems when not pregnant. So, I'm assuming the same could be true for some of the other things in her diet, and I should be figuring it out. If someone else has had problems, that might help me to know where to start!
     
  4. puzzles mom

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    Does your beet pulp have molasses in it? I had a bag like that once (that was a mistake) and it gave my pony diarrhea, I had to stop it, he is fine with plain beet pulp but the molasses gives him the runs.
     
  5. Blondehorse

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    Hmm, yes, it does. I think the amount of molasses in beet pulp usually isn't very much, and my mare has only been getting a very small amount, but that's something I hadn't considered before.
     
  6. Dawn

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    How much BOSS is she getting? And how long has she been on it currently? What amounts did she get when she was on it before (and did she have problems with that)?

    I would look at the BOSS before beet pulp. She might be having problems digesting the amount of fat in the BOSS.
     
  7. WashingtonBay

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    What else is the horse eating besides beet pulp and boss? My older Arab had diarrhea from Enrich 32 (and 12 for that matter).
     
  8. pantha11

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    I have never had any luck with Beet Pulp, it has always given my horses the runs.
    This is starting to sound like a gut flora issue.

    Has the vet suggested any bacterial issues....and did this mare have the runs prior to being pregnant.

    Also is she stabled, if so what kind of bedding are you using.

    How is her capillary count,
    and hydration status.

    Do the runs look like cow paddies.
     
  9. Blondehorse

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    She's been on it for a couple of months by now. For most of that time she only got a few big handfuls a day (equal to almost 1/2 a pound), since I was just doing it to try and keep her coat dark this summer. I started upping the amount when the vet told me to dry lot her at night with grass hay, and only let her on pasture with a grazing muzzle-- she's already lost a little weight from the diarrhea, and I was afraid she wouldn't be able to hold her weight if I didn't do something. I've worked her up to just under a pound.

    However, I didn't give her any today, just the beet pulp. Figured I had to start somewhere, and I, too, think that the BOSS is the most likely culprit, if it really is something she's eating.

    You would ask how much she got when she was on it before! :p It was quite a bit, because she had gotten skinny on me that winter, and I needed to bring her weight back up. It was probably at least a pound, and probably more like 1 1/2. She did not have any trouble with diarrhea while being fed BOSS that winter.

    Well, she was out on good pasture with various grasses, some alfalfa, and clover, and has free-choice access to an ADM Grostrong vita/mineral block. I was giving her a little beet pulp to mix her ACV in with, and the BOSS.

    Now she's getting grass hay at night, pasture with grazing muzzle during the day, and some beet pulp, along with Command Probiotic Supreme, and Diamond V yeast for prebiotic. Here's a link to the Command stuff: http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=39a7f222-aea4-40d9-ae81-f87cbfee2b5f

    She still has access to the block, and as I've said, I've been discussing with PeggySue the best way to get protein into her diet since she can't be eating alfalfa anymore. And-- well, I guess basically just hashing out her entire diet. I just don't want to run out and buy anything until I've at least spoken with the vet.

    I haven't spoken to the vet since she told me to dry lot her and only let her out with the muzzle. I couldn't talk to a vet today since it's Memorial Day, but will get a call in first thing tomorrow morning.

    She did not have diarrhea before she was pregnant. She's always a bit looser than the other horses, but nothing like this.

    She has a run-in stall and can be in or out, whichever she chooses. Dirt floor in the run-in with some rubber mats.

    Do you mean capillary refill? I've never heard of capillary count. :blushing: It was fine when I checked a couple days ago.

    She's eating and drinking well. The pinch test doesn't indicate dehydration, but I did notice today that her urine looks a bit dark. Not brown, just kind of a dark yellow. I don't know if that has anything to do with anything, or not, though!
     
  10. pantha11

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    Just keep an eye on her water intake, if her urine is a bit darker.

    Is the diarrhea really runny or is it like cow paddies.
     






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